Heart of Steel: Interviews

Nevermore Interview With Jeff Loomis

Interview by EvilG
Transcription by the Lord of the Wasteland
Promotional pictures courtesy CenturyMedia.com

One of the relatively newer bands to emerge in the past few years, which has become one of my favorite bands, is Nevermore. The last time the band was doing press, I was given the opportunity to speak with drummer, Van Williams. You can still read that interview here.

 This time I got to speak with the band's main songwriter and guitarist, Jeff Loomis. We got to talk about his guitar playing, the killer new album, ENEMIES OF REALITY, and to confirm the rumor that many have heard about his tryout for Megadeth way back when he was only 16! Read on for more details...


The new album is great! It's another wicked slab of metal. How long did it take you to write and record with 3 years between albums?

A lot of questions have been asked about why the hiatus was so long. The reason for it is due to extensive touring on the DEAD HEART IN A DEAD WORLD record. I think we did 3 U.S. tours on that and we were in Europe 4 or 5 times, as well as Canada and South America, so that eats up a lot of time. The album took 3 months to record and it was a lot different procedure from when we recorded our last album. It was done at Kelly Gray's studio in his house and he ended up having to move from his house to mine to record solos and vocals and then to another studio called London Bridge Studios, which is well-known for Alice In Chains and Soundgarden have recorded there, so the songwriting took 6 months to a year. It was kind of a struggle recording in Seattle because we are used to recording in Texas for 1 month and this one was just strung out a little bit more.


-Enemies of Reality-


Did you use the same recording equipment in each place?

We did actually. I used the same basic amp setup for every time we've recorded in a different studio, which is a Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier with a tube screamer - very simple stuff. The whole album was done on Pro-Tools, as well. We started using Pro Tools on the DEAD HEART IN A DEAD WORLD album with Andy Sneap. That was very different for us because we were used to using reel-to-reel analog tape. There are advantages and disadvantages of Pro Tools but all in all, it is a very quick recording process. You can get in there and fix stuff so fast. It's unbelievable.



Did you write all the guitar riffs and solos or did other members of the band help?

All the music and the solos were done by me and the lyrics were written by Warrel. That's not because of a control issue or anything. That's just the way we've always done it.



Do you usually sit down at home to write the riffs or jam with Van Williams?

Sometimes I sit at home with my drum machine and 8-track that I have and I'll come up with the basics for a song. Then I'll present the tape to Warrel to come up with vocals and melodies. Then we'll bring it down to rehearsal to get the general idea for the song, rip it apart and put it back together again. That's usually chemistry in how we work. But sometimes we will be rehearsing and come up with a part and just jam it like that. It just depends on the inspiration at the moment.



Did you have your solos prepared before you went into the studio or did you improvise some things?

I've been doing that quite a lot lately. I got that from Neil Kernon. During THE POLITICS OF ECSTASY recordings, I made a bunch of mistakes on one solo and he said, "Well, hey, it isn't that bad!", so I did and a lot of improv parts that  sounded really good, so on the new album I decided that I would come up with the basic idea of a solo and then work from there. I can honestly say that a lot of the solos on the new record were improvised.



Do you have to go back and listen to them to do them live or are you going to have a slight variation on it live?

Most of them are exactly the same. I had to go back and learn a few parts but they are mostly identical.



Do you or anyone else help Warrel with the lyrics?

No. That's his own personal poetry, his own expression. A lot of people are wondering if it's another concept album and it's not. It's his own personal thoughts on things he likes to write about.



I guess he has explained to the band what he means by ENEMIES OF REALITY. What exactly is wrong with "reality"?

Absolutely nothing! I just think he is trying to say that the enemy can be anything that's in front of you at the moment. Even your TV can be an enemy of reality with the things that they are showing live or something like that. To me, reality is the music that I write and where I am right now. I guess it's just the personal opinion of what someone's take on it is.



Some of my favorite songs on the album are the title track, "I, Voyager" and "The Seed Awakening". I was wondering what some of your favorite moments on the album might be?

At the moment, the album is still so new to me. I'll sit down and listen to it here and there but at the moment I probably like "Ambivalent". It goes back to some of my roots that I grew up with, like death metal, and you can hear that influence in it. The solo is really good, too. I have to agree that I really do love the title track. We're going to be doing a video for that song in 2 weeks. Ironically, MTV actually called up Century Media demanding a video from us, so this could be a good thing. We really want to get the market bigger for us in the United States because The Headbanger's Ball is back which is a really, really good thing. So this would we great if we could get the video played on MTV.



Will the band be in the video this time?

Yes, the whole band will be in the video



The last one was kind of…

Yeah nobody could understand that last one!



It was kind of artsy or something…strange.

It was very much artsy. It actually got some airplay on Uranium, that was about it. I don't think it ever got played on MTV.



We saw it up here in Canada on Much Music. I think they played it at least once.

Cool, cool. I don't know if Uranium is based out of Canada or New York. You have heard of Uranium haven't you?



Well, we don't actually get it on Much Music but I have heard of it. We get 2 shows up here. There's the "Power Hour" which plays a lot of classic metal and there's a new show that's only half an hour long once a week called "Loud", which plays some metal and some other hardcore-ish kind of nu-metal.

It's really weird that you say that because Much Music down here has changed it into a show called "Fuse" now, so that's kind of weird that's it's still the same for you but its changed for us.



Regarding the album cover, was this something the band developed the concept for or did you give it to an artist who had free reign?

It was done by the same guy who has done our last 2 albums, Travis Smith, a dude from San Diego that does a really fantastic job. What we'll do is send him the lyric sheet and he'll just read over it to get a general idea of what he's thinking is going on. I guess you could say we wanted something that was pretty powerful looking. It doesn't really have any meaning behind it . He'll send us 5 or 6 ideas and usually by the 7th or 8th time, he'll give us something that we really like and finally decide upon. It's pretty much just "rent-an-album-cover". If it was in a bunch of CDs, it would really stand out amongst the rest because it's really crazy looking!



It's funny you say that because when I got the promo, I had it at work. I work in an office with cubes and all that crap, so anyway I had it on the top of my desk and I had the headphones on and some guy comes over and says, "Holy shit! What's this?" I had a couple other CDs there too but he grabbed that one and said, "It's pretty sick-looking, man!"

Yeah, it really does stand out. I think overall, the look thing, eat the worms, the seven horns, the seven tongues of God, there's just little references used for the look to make it stand out and that's what we wanted.



What was it like working with Kelly Gray as a producer? As a guitar player, did it help you?

As a guitar player, he's pretty good. He's done work with Queensryche in the past where he filled Chris DeGarmo's position for a while. Working with a new producer was different. Any time you work with a different producer, it's like a different picture in the end, you know what I mean? You're going to get different sounds and different approaches to the overall aspect to the recording. Working with him was fairly cool. The album took 3 months to record, which is just too long for me, but I'd have to honestly say that I really, really enjoyed working with Andy Sneap. He was more into what I was doing at the time. Working with Kelly was great, too. It's just that he's more of a pop producer kind of guy. He's worked with Candlebox before and sold millions of albums with them, so working with us, we were kind of like his lab rats, you know? He's never really done a metal band before but overall I think he did a pretty fantastic job. He got a real live quality out of us because we were always used to doing drums first and then the bass, and then the guitar and then the vocals at the very end. This time we recorded most of the songs live with the whole band and then after one song was done, Warrel would immediately sing on it until of saving all of it to the very end, which kind of saves his voice in the overall recording process. I guess the whole album was done it a very different atmosphere and aspect that sounds really good.



I guess you did the rhythms live and then went back and did your solos?

Of course. Rather than doing 4 tracks this time, I just did 3, which was kind of different, too. I'm used to doing 2 on a side, but this was 1 on the left, 1 on the right and 1 right up the middle.

That's for rhythm?

Yeah that's right.

You don't double any of your solos?

I have before but not on this one. It's a very cool sound doubling your solos. You almost get a chorusing, weird sound. I know Randy Rhoads used to do that a lot.



Do you think you'll work with Kelly again?

There's a possibility. I mean, we'll have to see what happens. Maybe.



Is it too early to say, or is ENEMIES OF REALITY your favorite Nevermore album? All bands say their new album is their best!

That's true. I have to say though that it is as far as songwriting goes. Like I said, we really accomplished writing a better song. In the past, we've written long, drawn-out songs that are 7 or 8 minutes long, but these are more to the point and are very well written. I guess you can say that each album has always done better than the previous one as far as sales go, so it's going to be interesting to see how this one goes. I have no idea at the moment because it's not released yet but I think this is probably our best album to date.



If you had to pick a runner-up, would you have one in mind?

Lots of people would think that it would be DREAMING NEON BLACK, but I would have to say my favorite one is DEAD HEART IN A DEAD WORLD. I just love the overall aggressiveness of it and I think the sound quality on it is superior. Chunky-ass guitars and excellent sounding drums. Andy Sneap really concentrated a lot on guitars and drums on that album because that's where he's at, whereas Kelly really focused on vocals on the new album. He really made those stand out strong. He has the vocals carry the song rather than the guitars and the drums, but the bass is turned up more on the new album too, so I think you can actually hear everything a little bit better on the new album.



I have a few questions about your guitar playing. Were you self-taught or did you take lessons or go to one of those music colleges?

No I never did. I never went to college for music or had many lessons. I had a few but never really accomplished much. I was given a guitar by my father when I was about 9 or 10, then I put it down for about 2 years because I didn't like it. I picked it up again when I was about 15 and I was just one of those cats who listened to a record and I could pick it up with my ear. I guess I was blessed with having a pretty good ear. I can hear anything and pick it up. Like if I hear a commercial on TV, I can pretty much instantaneously play it, so that's a good thing to have I guess. There are advantages and disadvantages of not being taught musical notation, but to me it's not really important. It's a matter of what sounds good.



So do you hear your solos in your head and then play them or do you think about what scale/mode to play in?

Yeah I pretty much know where I'm going but it's pretty much a sound thing. I'm also a fan of good harmonics where it's not really right but kind of right. Something that doesn't sound like it's totally in the correct mode but it still works anyway. I'm influenced by players like Jason Becker and Marty Friedman. Players like that are just amazing to me. Of course I went through the whole Yngwie thing when I was growing up, too. I did not put down the first Rising Force album for ages. Players like John McLaughlin, Al DiMeola. Any person that has a great technical approach to the guitar. Tony MacAlpine. I can just keep on naming them for you if you want?!



Did you learn their material when you first started playing guitar?

Yeah, lots of Yngwie stuff. I was in a cover band ages ago and we picked up on a lot of that stuff, spending hours and hours until we got it right. You could say that really had an effect on my playing now. I still try to keep the technical approach up there but at the same time I concentrate on being a good songwriter as well.



Do you still have a practice routine?

There isn't really any time to practice anymore with touring. I used to practice a lot more. When I was younger, I practiced continuously but now it's hard to find a really good instructor around, too, so what I do is go on the Internet. You can find some really cool things there to learn from. There's this one website called chopsfromhell.com and there's a bunch of players who submit their chops and you can learn great things right off the internet for free. I try to keep up that way. I'll still play for a few hours a day but most of the time I just concentrate on writing songs.



When you practice to you play with other people or is it just patterns, scales, etc.?

I practice by patterns and scales. I used to be able to pick up a guitar and shred at it. Now that I'm older-I'm 31-I have to slowly practice and work up to my ability. That's better for your hands anyway. People who are always shredding like that have problems with their hands. They get tendonitis and stuff like that, so I always try to be careful and warm up as much as I can.



Before you play live, do you warm up before you hit the stage?

Yeah I do. I find that practicing on and acoustic guitar before you hit your electric is really good because you tend to press down harder, so when you get to your electric, it's almost effortless.



You do 7 strings a lot, now. What or who inspired you to try one?

I had a guitar builder who was making me these guitars for the longest time and he told me he was building 7 strings. I was like, "Wow, I'd really like to try one". It's not like I was listening to Meshuggah or Korn or anything like that. It was just out of the ultimate curiosity to see what it would be like to play on one for a while, so he built me one. It took him about 3 months to build it for me and I picked it up, I thought, "Whoa! This is really cool!". You can do so much more with chords. It really opens up a whole new category of chords and things like that. Then all of a sudden, I started writing for that. I wrote the song "Inside Four Walls", one of the first songs I ever wrote on a 7 string and before I knew it, I had a whole album's worth of material, which is pretty much the DEAD HEART IN A DEAD WORLD album. I just kind of stuck with it over a period of time and it's now become my main instrument. It's kind of cool too when we're playing older material like off DREAMING NEON BLACK or POLITICS OF ECSTASY, I don't have to switch guitars. I can just play all those songs on the first 6 strings. That took a bit of getting used to but it works out for the better.



So is it all 7 strings on the new album?

There is on "Seed Awakening" and "Create The Infinite", I'm using a Gibson Flying V with a detuned low string, kind of like the Alice In Chains tune where they drop the low string. Those 2 are 6 string guitars.



Since you are the only recording guitarist for Nevermore, do you feel any extra pressure to come up with riffs and the solos?

It's not a big deal really. I actually prefer it. I did have a fun time writing with Tim Calvert on the DREAMING NEON BLACK album, but obviously he's not in the band anymore so I do have to kind of take the whole role myself. I guess it's just a matter of not really thinking about it too much. I never really have a plan of what I'm going to do. I literally just sit down at my recorder and riff out and it's kind of a process of elimination thing. You just record the whole day and at the end of the day you either have crap or you have really good stuff. You just figure out what sounds the best and that's how I do it.



Was writing or deciding who plays on what ever difficult with Pat O'Brien or Tim Calvert when they were in the band?

No, not at all. When we wrote DREAMING NEON BLACK, we knew it was either my song or it was Tim's song. A lot of Tim's stuff, for example "Beyond Within", he would sit down and come up with these riffs and I would be behind him with a drum machine and come up with a drum riff for it. It was kind of you like you put a lead here and I'll put a lead there. There were never any arguments or anything like that. In all the relationships I've had with other guitarists who were in the band, it was always a great thing. There were never any problems with control or who's doing what or anything like that. The reason for all those guys leaving the band is just, of course, Pat O'Brien is now in Cannibal Corpse and I think his heart was more into that kind of music anyway and Tim Calvert ended up getting married. He was really into aviation at the time too so now he flies planes for a living. He just kind of got out of music. He was kind of fed up with it in a way. Now we're working with Chris Broderick who was the guitar player in Jag Panzer. He'll be playing some gigs with us.

Will you let him play any leads?

Hell yeah! He's an awesome player.

Is he going to be doing the tour coming up in the fall?

We have a CD release show this Friday in Seattle. He's going to be flying up for that. Unfortunately, he can't do the European tour with us and Arch Enemy. He has prior plans with Jag Panzer so he won't be able to do that. Steve Smyth, the guitar player in Testament, will probably be doing that tour and then Chris will be returning to do the United States tour with Dimmu Borgir, Children of Bodom and Hypocrisy. Kind of crazy but somebody has to fill that sixth spot.



Have you ever tried playing live with just yourself on guitar?

It doesn't really work because I write for a two guitar player band and that's the way I've always done it. If I were to play a lead, it sounds like something's missing, so it's just the way it works. We have to have another guitar player in the band.



People must always be asking if you're looking for a second guitar player to actually join or are you happy with having the role filled just for live situations?

We want to have a sixth member join the band. We really do. It's just a matter of finding the right person and that person being right for the band. We've searched for a long time in the greater Seattle area for a guitar player but we put ads out and all we do is attract flies. There aren't really any good technical players here in Seattle. If you go down to L.A., of course, there are tons of them but I don't really know too many guitar players down there. People I meet on the road, like Chris who I met in Denver when we were on the road, he just came up to me and said, "I'm a big fan of your guitar playing" and I said "I'm a big fan of yours", so it was just a matter of keeping his number and calling him in the future.



A bit of a historical question: Did you join Sanctuary right before they broke up?

Yes I did. To make a long story short, I was playing in a death metal band in Wisconsin--that's where I'm from--and I was kind of getting fed up with the vocal stylings of it, the overall growling thing, you know? I really wanted to join a band that had an actual singer in it and I heard from a friend that Sanctuary was looking for a guitar player so I made a demo tape and I sent it out to their manager. Then Warrel and Lenny, the guitar player in the band at the time, heard it and really liked it, so they flew me out. After that I got into Sanctuary. That lasted for about 4 months and I ended up playing 1 live show with them. We were starting to write for a new record and then Lenny's new songs were sounding really "grungy", because that's when the grunge explosion was happening in Seattle and Warrel and Jim and I were, like, "Whoa! This is really lame." There was a huge fight about the whole band and where it should go. There were punches thrown and hair being pulled out of people's heads. That was the demise of Sanctuary and Warrel, Jim and I formed Nevermore shortly after that.



What was the name of your death metal band before you were in Nevermore and did you record anything with them?

I did a demo tape with them and that was about it. I have a copy around here somewhere. Somebody told me it's on a website somewhere-I forget where it actually is-but it was band called Experiment In Fear. After I left the band, they ended up doing a record on DCA. It's a very small record company. They broke up for years and now I heard that they're back together again. They were really killer and I actually loved being in the band but I was 19 at the time and I needed to make my move. I had just gotten out of high school and I really wanted to be in a national act, you know, something bigger. I think I made the right move. Hopefully those guys will come up with another album and be known because they are really talented.

Yeah a new album with a sticker on it saying "ex-band of Nevermore's Jeff Loomis."




I had also heard that you tried out for Megadeth. Is that true, and if so, when was it and how did it go?

I was 16 years old. I had never flown in a plane in my life and I had a friend who lived in L.A. that was friends with Dave Mustaine. This is right when SO FAR, SO GOOD...SO WHAT came out and they kicked out Jeff Young. My friend said, "I can get you this audition if you fly down here., so I did. I was right out of the woodwork. I had short hair. I was a really good guitar player but I was not right for the band at all. I actually went into the rehearsal room when Mustaine was still heavily using like heroin and drugs and all that. He looked crazy when I saw him. I just remember learning 3 songs: "Wake Up Dead", "The Conjuring" and "In My Darkest Hour". When I went into the rehearsal room to play them with him, he didn't sing on any of them so I kind of got lost and all he did was stare at me, which was kind of crazy. He came up to me after the audition and said, "Jeff, I want you to know you're way too young to be in this band but one day you will be a great guitar player." That was his words to me, which was really cool. That was my experience with that.

Have you spoken to him since?

No I haven't. I had a chance to once but I can't remember what happened. He was playing in Seattle or something. It was in his drugs days that he produced the Sanctuary album, REFUGE DENIED, and he doesn't want anything to do with that these days. I think he's kind of embarrassed about it because he was high most of the time and he doesn't remember. It was inspirational, though. I mean I jammed with Megadeth, you know! It was awesome.

Especially at 16!

Yeah. Half the people I tell don't know about it but 90% of them don't believe me! "Yeah, you're full of shit" but it was cool.



So who would be your favorite band to go on tour with?

I'd really like to tour with Meshuggah. They're doing something completely different that no one else has ever done before in a metal band. The syncopation and off-time stuff they do is so underrated. From what I heard they're super quiet guys but they're totally talented. I'd like to just go out and tour with them. That would be great. One of my dreams come true.



Who has been your favorite so far that you've toured with?

Arch Enemy was awesome. We toured with them once before and that was so great. Opeth was really cool. Talk about a talented bunch of individuals you know, they're some of the nicest guys you'll ever meet and amazing songwriters. It was a privilege to go out and share a tour bus with these guys. Soilwork was killer, too. There's something in the Swedish water! They've written a lot of good shit over there.

Even their second rate bands are better than a lot of the bands from other countries!

I went to Ozzfest yesterday and I swear to God, a lot of the bands I saw were just crap!

Well, Ozzfest doesn't have a reputation for attracting a lot of talent besides Sabbath.

The only thing I got out of the whole day was seeing some of my friends in Shadows Fall and Killswitch Engage and getting sunburned as hell. It was fun. I guess when you go to something like that, you have to be prepared for such a long day of music. And Ozzy didn't even play so that kind of sucked. He hasn't played in the last week. Something about laryngitis.

Did VoiVod play?

That was cool. That was one of the highlights of the night because I'm a huge Voivod fan. I wish they would have played more off of NOTHINGFACE and DIMENSION HATROSS but I think they concentrated more on their very first album, which was just called VOIVOD wasn't it?

No, it was WAR AND PAIN.

WAR AND PAIN, right. They played the song "Voivod", and they played "Astronomy Domine", but it was cool seeing Newsted up there. You can tell his heart is definitely into metal where it's really supposed to be. He's just an honest metal dude.

Have you heard their newest album?


No, the new Voivod?

I've heard a couple of tracks off it and to tell you the truth, I pretty much love everything those guys do because they're always trying to be different. I've only heard a few songs but the ones I did hear almost sound like they're rock-oriented. They're rock songs. They didn't use a lot of the diminished chords and I'm a huge fan of the NOTHINGFACE writing. It's so eerie and so minor, so futuristic sounding. The new album…I haven't heard it enough to give you my honest opinion about it.

I like it a lot. It's not quite NOTHINGFACE.

The new stuff reminds a lot of what they were trying to get across on THE OUTER LIMITS. There are some good songs on there too.

They haven't done a bad album I don't think, unless you don't like the lead singer who filled in when Snake was gone.

Yeah that guy. I still love Belanger. He's fucking awesome.



Are you planning to a DVD in the next year or two?

Good question. I don't know. I know we have a lot of footage at the Century Media offices that we have compiled from festivals. It's just a matter of us getting in there to find the best quality stuff that will make a good DVD, so it's just a matter of time really. Everybody has asked us about one and Nevermore's 10th year anniversary is coming up pretty soon, so I think that would be a good time to do that. I can probably guarantee you that something like that will come out in the very near future.



That would be great to have a live album. Especially for someone like me who comes from where no bands play. A live DVD is always the best thing people can get who aren't on the tour path.




Someone said there is a rumor, and of course it came from the Internet which has a lot of bullshit and rumors, and the rumor is that this is the last Nevermore album and tour and that you'll break up. Please tell me this is just bullshit rumors!

Number 1, I don't understand how all that can be talked about, because it's never been anything we've discussed or planned on doing, so to me, it's funny how things get put on there. The answer is no. There's no plan for us to break up or anything. We have no reason to. I mean we all get along so well in this band. We have our fights, of course, like any other band, but we're at the end of our line right now as far as us not having a record label anymore but at the same time, we have options up the ass. People at record labels are coming up to us and begging us to sign on with them. It's just a matter of us finding the right record label to sign on to. We have to look at the contract, what's good for us and for our future. I guess there's a chance we can sign with Century Media again if they give us the right contract or we'll sign with somebody else. We don't really know at this moment. We've done our 6 albums with them and in actuality, it's a new beginning with Nevermore. We'll see what happens.



Do you have any hobbies or obsessions outside of guitar playing and heavy metal that people would be surprised to hear, or are you so obsessed with Nevermore and metal that there's not much time for other things?

There's hardly a time where there isn't anything else to do but people would probably be surprised that Warrel, Jim and I are all professional chefs. We can all cook our asses off!

You don't mean like boiling water in a kettle, do you? haha

No I'm talking gourmet, garlic, olive oil, shallots... We can cook good dinners, so sometimes when we're not making money we have to do that on the side. Warrel and Jim are still doing it but I'm not doing it anymore. In my spare time, I'll teach students or something like that. You can call me a guitar instructor. You do have to find other things to do. You can't live your whole life with music. At the moment we are but sometimes when you're off the road relaxing, you like to cook. It sounds kind of faggy but…

"We cook up people…" like Soylent Green!

Yeah, we cook up people. ha!



So what other bands or albums are you listening to lately that you've been excited about?

I really like Lamb of God. Their records kick ass. I've been listening to some Porcupine Tree. That's crazy stuff, kind of acoustic Opeth sounding. Of course, Arch Enemy, Soilwork, Meshuggah, In Flames, and Evergrey, they're a very good band out of Sweden. I could keep on naming them. To tell you the truth, when I'm recording an album, I try not to listen to anything to keep my head clear so I can be as original sounding as I can, but when I do listen to stuff that's usually what's in my CD player.



Are you excited about the news that came out on Friday about Judas Priest and Halford rejoining?

I didn't even hear about it. Wow!

It was on CNN, so it's not a rumor.

Are you serious?

I'm dead serious!

Oh my God!

CNN announced that Halford is back in Judas Priest. I lost my mind anyway.

That's insane. So they're actually do a new album and everything?

They said that in 2004 there will be a new album and a new tour.

Excellent. That's gonna be cool!

I don't know what Ripper's gonna do now. Iced Earth is looking for a vocalist eh?!

I know EXACTLY what's gonna happen! I can see it right now. Ripper Owens is gonna join Iced Earth. I know it! I bet you a million bucks. Now that Jon Schaffer signed a million dollar deal with SPV and fired everybody in the fucking band, he doesn't have anything to do. I don't know. That's just my theory. We'll see. 

Ok, Thanks for your time, it's been a pleasure to talk to you today!

Thanks for your time!

Good luck with the release of the album at the end of this month.



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