Michael Schenker Group and Lionheart guitarist Steve Mann discuss the new MSG album and tour, upcoming Lionheart music and other ongoing projects.

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Live pictures by Marko Syrjala, headline photo by Emili Muraki

Steve Mann is a guitarist, keyboard player, producer, and studio engineer, born in London, England. At the age of fifteen, he bought his first electric guitar and thus began a lifelong obsession with the instrument. Steve joined his first professional band, Liar, in 1977. Three years later, Mann joined the NWOBHM supergroup, Lionheart. The first album, HOT TONIGHT, was released in 1984, but the group disbanded after several lineup changes and problems with the label. Mann, and his Lionheart bandmate Rocky Newton, joined McAuley Schenker Group in 1986. The band released highly successful albums PERFECT TIMING (1987) and SAVE YOURSELF (1989). The latter, recorded in Los Angeles, spawned the US number 6 hit single ‘Anytime,’ written by Steve and Robin McAuley. After the McAuley Group split in the early 90s, Mann established his Frida Park Studio in Hannover. Over the following years, he honed his producer and studio engineer skills. He also spent several years as a touring member of the legendary British glam rockers the Sweet and played several tours with the German progressive band, Eloy.

During the past years, Steve has continued his work as a musician, producer, and studio engineer. Lionheart reunited in 2016, featuring the original members Mann, Newton, and Dennis Stratton (ex-Iron Maiden.) The new members were vocalist Lee Small (ex-Shy) and Mann’s longtime friend, drummer Clive Edwards (ex-UFO, Uli Jon Roth, etc.) who also played for a while with Lionheart in the 1980’s. The renewed band has since released two studio albums, SECOND NATURE (2017) and THE REALITY OF MIRACLES (2020). In 2016 Mann also re-connected with Michael Schenker. Michael was putting together a new band, Michael Schenker Fest, consisting of only the members of his past bands, now including Mann, Robin McAuley, and Bodo Schopf, who joined the band in 2019 following the passing of the original drummer Ted McKenna (RIP)

The band toured successfully around the world and released two studio albums before morphing into a new version of Michael Schenker Group featuring vocalist Ronnie Romero (ex-Rainbow), Mann, Schopf, and bassist Barend Courbois.The new band released IMMORTAL in July of 2021. Due to the global pandemic restrictions, Michael Schenker Group could not tour then, so the band went back to the studio instead, and the next MSG album, UNIVERSAL, saw the light at the end of May 2022. Michael Schenker Group opened its long-awaited world -tour from Helsinki a couple of weeks ago. I had then the pleasure to meet again with Steve Mann and discuss the current state of MSG, Lionheart, the upcoming Ousey/Mann album, and more. Read on!


First of all, Steve, welcome to Finland. Is this supposed to be your first visit to this country?

Thank you. Actually, it’s not. I think I was here with The Sweet in the ’ 90 s?

Ok. I didn’t know that. However, after many delays and cancellations because of the pandemic, MSG is finally back on the road, and the tour starts tonight from here in Helsinki. In fact, with very few exceptions, the band was not able to tour and promote the previous IMMORTAL album at all, but now you’re about to release the next album, UNIVERSAL, in late May.

Yeah, I mean, obviously, we’re in the same situation as every other band. I mean, there’s no band that’s got away with COVID because no band could tour. So, anybody who released an album around the same time that Immortal came out would have had the same problem: you can’t promote it, you can’t go out and tour it. And so it’s really just one of those things that we had to accept. And at first, nobody knew how long COVID was going to go on for, so we just thought, “Well, if it’s six months, we’ll just wait six months, and then we’ll set up a tour once COVID is over.” I think everybody was quite optimistic in those days that it wouldn’t last for too long. When it became obvious that it was just going to keep dragging on and dragging on, I was very glad when Michael came up with the idea of doing a new album. And I thought, “Well, okay, we haven’t toured with IMMORTAL, but it’s just one of those things; it doesn’t make us any different from any other band. And so it was a way of keeping going with MSG and keeping us doing something and being creative. And I think Michael, he’s always coming up with his own ideas and things. So I think we just said, “Okay, we don’t tour with IMMORTAL. We will promote it when the time comes. Technically, we’re promoting IMMORTAL with this tour anyway because the new album is not coming out until this tour is finished. ” So this is like a very late ”Immortal” tour; you can really see it that way.

So, we are going to hear a lot of songs from IMMORTAL on this tour?

We are obviously doing songs from that album. But the set-list, it’s still a history of what Michael Schenker has done from the UFO days right the way through– so there’s a selection. It’s not just IMMORTAL. It’s not like we’re really promoting that album big time now because of the new UNIVERSAL album coming out. So IMMORTAL has come and gone in a way. So yes, we are doing some songs from IMMORTAL, but not with the big accent on IMMORTAL. We’re still very much just covering the whole history of what Michael’s done.

Are you still going to play songs from the UNIVERSAL album even if it’s not released yet?

Yeah, there is a song or two in there from the new album, which obviously, no one’s going to know. The first single, ”Emergency,” is out already, so people will know that one. Yeah, and the other one is in the set too, I think that’s going to be the second single, so that may be coming out sometime next week if I’m not mistaken.

I guess it will be ”The King Has Gone,” which is a kind of a tribute song to Ronnie James Dio?

It’s a tribute to Ronnie song, yeah, that’s right. So no one knows it yet, but probably by the end of the tour, if I’m not mistaken, I think that will be out as a second single so that they will then know that. But otherwise, basically, we’re doing all the oldies and songs up to this day, including IMMORTAL.

I interviewed Michael in March, and he then told me that after the Michael Schenker Fest thing, he now wants to have a stable five-piece band, which is what the new MSG now is. And Ronnie Romero became the band’s main singer, although he is not singing the first leg of the tour.

Ronnie became the main singer. That’s right. Ronnie is also involved in other projects, one of which is the Eurovision Song Contest. And that, I think, is taking up a lot of his time right at this moment because I believe he has to be available probably for the month before the show because there’s a lot to work out. He has to do videos and choreography, I guess, and rehearsals. So he wasn’t available for this tour, so Robin McAuley is stepping in. It’s great having Robin. I mean, I love Ronnie. I was very happy when Ronnie became the band’s lead singer. I was very happy when the lineup became the five-piece again. But if Ronnie can’t do it, then he can’t do it, and for me, there’s no better person to replace Ronnie than Robin. And I was very happy when I heard from Michael that Robin was coming in to do the tour, so obviously, we have the fact that Bodo, Robin, Michael, and I have worked together in the past. So that vibe is back again, and it’s a very nice feeling.

That’s true, and in fact, only one guy is missing from the McAuley Schenker 1987 line-up on this tour.

Yes, there is. That’s right. And a lot of people– it’s quite interesting to read comments on Facebook that a lot of people have noticed that and have mentioned that, so. It’s worthy of note, I think, that one person from the original McAuley Schenker line-up is not there.

MSG live in Helsinki. ©MarkoSyrjala2022


McAuley Schenker toured with Def Leppard in 1987, but the show in Finland was canceled for some reason. You were not in the band at that point?

That was the Def Leppard tour, you said? Yeah. I didn’t do that tour. Because I had just recorded the PERFECT TIMING album with the band, and then my father was really ill. And we had a lot of work coming up with the band and I just had to weigh up what was more important to me. So I decided just to quit and go back to England and spend some time with my dad, which I’m very glad I did because he died shortly after I’d gone back. After he died, I just thought, well, I don’t know, I’d love to rejoin the band again. It was really great. The only reason why I left was because of the family tragedy. And as it happened, I think they didn’t feel that things were really working out that well with Mitch Perry because he’s a lead guitar player first and foremost. And I think there’s a little bit of a — what would the word be? Having two lead guitar players in the band that’s not how it works with Michael Schenker. You need a guitar player that’s very much a second guitar and keyboard. And I think because of that fact, it was possible for me to come back into the band again. But during that time, that’s when they did the Def Leppard tour. So I missed that, unfortunately.

On this tour, you’re covering most of Michael’s past career, but you’re not going to play any songs from the McAuley Schenker era?

You’d have to ask Michael that one. He picks the songs that he likes to have in the set, and we play them. So I don’t know. I think maybe it’s something to do with the fact that the McAuley Schenker Group was a much more American-oriented approach to the music. And Michael, in fact, all of us really, we’re very much raw rock-based. And I think that’s what he does well, and that’s what I enjoy the most. I mean, I love the McAuley Schenker songs, and when we were touring America two or three years ago, it was great to put all those songs in the set. It was fantastic because obviously, the album was bigger in America than it was anywhere else. And ”Anytime” was in the set, and that was nice to play. But I think while we’re touring Europe, I think the accent is much more on the more rootsy rock stuff. So that’s probably why the McAuley Schenker Group stuff was left out.

Didn’t you also play ”Save Yourself” on that US tour?

We did ”Save Yourself.” Yeah, that was in there. ”This Is My Heart” was in there. ”Anytime,” of course. ”Bad Boys” was in there. So we did quite a few tracks from the McAuley Schenker Group era. But I think you have to do that for America because that’s the album that they know the best. That’s the one that– I think because on the back of ”Anytime” that really took off in America quite a big way, so we’d be stupid not to play those songs.

I think that ”Anytime” is a very special song for you because you and Robin wrote it together back in the day.

Well, yeah, of course. That’s right. I’ve probably told you the story before, but the way that song came about was quite weird. When I left the band for a year and wanted to come back in, part of my way of enticing Michael that it would be a good idea for me to come back in again was to say, “Well, I’ve got all this recording equipment. I can record all the demos for the next album; it’s not a problem.” And so I just recorded a song and sent it to Robin, and I literally just played these chords off the top of my head, put a programmed drum track behind it, and sent it to Robin and said, “Can you play that to Michael?” Just as a demo as to what I can do in my studio. And then Robin came back to me about a week later and said, “Oh, by the way, I’ve written words and the melody for your song.” I said, “What song? What are you talking about?” He said, “The one that you sent me.” I said, “Well, it’s not a song. It was just like a bunch of chords to play to Michael.” And Robin said, “Well, can I come and sing it anyway in your studio?” So I said, “Yeah, of course, you can, come up.” And so he did. And it was ”Anytime.” And he was going through a bit of a hard time in his personal life at that particular time. So, he came up to the studio and sang ”Anytime.” And the first time he went through it, he broke down a bit and said, “I’m just going to take a minute. I just got to stop, compose myself,” and then sang it again. As soon as he got through the song, I listened to it, and I went, “That is amazing. That is a fantastic song.” And that’s how ”Anytime” came about, it was by pure accident. And even when we did the SAVE YOURSELF album, I thought it was a bit of a filler track. It won’t make it on the album. And then Frank Filipetti, the producer, said, “Oh, that’s a great ballad. That should go on the album.” And then the record company heard it, and they said, “That’s a really great song. That’s got to be the big single.” So when it came out, they promoted it big time,e and it hit number two in the American charts. I was the last person ever to expect it to do that, so don’t ask me to pick out successful songs because I’m useless at doing that.



”Anytime” is a brilliant song, but now I remember another classic song you’ve been involved with. It was actually, three years ago, before the COVID thing, when I was in London and met one of your old friends, Les Binks. We had a great chat in Camden, and then we spoke about the song ”Beyond the Realms of Death.”

Oh, right. Yes.

He then said that you might have had a role in writing that song as well; at least you recorded the early demo of it together. Correct?

I did. And I’m just trying to think because I was very close friends with Les back in the late ’70s, I think it was. And he had just joined Priest. So he knew it would be a very good idea to write a song for Judas Priest. And he called me. He said, “Can you come around and help me with this song?” I said, “Yeah, of course.” I went around and took my guitar around, my little amp, and everything, and I can’t remember what I did on that song, but I never got songwriting credit for it. I think he said, “This is the idea I’ve got, and this is the rough melody,” and whatever. And I think I just worked out what the chords were behind that and just played them. And I really appreciate the fact that Les remembered that I was involved in that. I’d completely forgotten until I read it in an interview with Les one time, and I went, “Oh, yeah. That’s right. I did.”

Maybe you have read the interview which I did with Les then?

It probably was your interview. That’s right. And I thought, “Yeah, I remember that.” He just gave me a call, and he used to live like ten minutes drive from where I used to live, and I went around there and helped him out. But to this day, I can’t remember what my involvement was. So it would be difficult for me to say, “Hang on a minute. I wrote half that song.” I probably didn’t, but I certainly helped him get it down anyway.

I think he said that he still has the original tapes somewhere?

Well, if I heard those, then I would probably recognize what I did. He’s a lovely, lovely guy. I always got on with him really well, and he is a fantastic drummer. I mean, really amazing.

You know, I might bring him to Helsinki in November. We’re organizing a kind of metal Expo here in Helsinki then, and he’s one of our pre-planned special guests. We have a plan to play selected Priest tracks with him then.

Yeah. That would be really great. Well, when you see him, say hi to him from me because we kind of occasionally keep in contact via Facebook or whatever, but it’s been a long time. I last saw him in Camden. I think his band was playing in a bar and I was there with my wife. We were visiting from Germany, and I said to her, “Oh, we’ve got to go to Camden because there are some great clubs and things around there,” and we walked in, this band was playing, and I heard this drummer, and I thought, “Oh, he sounds quite good.” And I looked, and I went, “Hang on a minute. That’s Les Binks.” And his hair had gone from black to white; he’s done a transformation. But I recognized him straight away.

Did you recognize his playing right away?

I recognized the playing, and I was amazed he was still playing so well. He’s a fantastic drummer. They are such a great group. Really great group.

Steve Mann live at Sweden Rock festival. ©MarkoSyrjala2017


We spoke last time in 2017 at Sweden Rock -festival when you played there with Lionheart. At the time, you were about to release the comeback album SECOND NATURE, but many things have happened after that. Vocalist Lee Small left the band, and you had other singers, but then Lee came back, and the third Lionheart album, REALITY OF MIRACLES, was released in 2020. Did everything go correct?”Laughs”

Well, we had only one different singer. That’s right. Lee contacted us, and he said, “Look, I’ve been offered this gig in LA. It’s a really well-paid gig, and I’ve kind of got to take it. I’ve got no choice.” And we said, “Okay, fair enough. Thanks for telling us, and we’ll stay friends and everything,” and we said, “We’re really sorry, but obviously we’re going to have to go and look for another singer.” It’s like you can’t do the LA thing and stay with Lionheart, And so we looked around, and we came up with a few names, and then we heard this guy called Jimmy Anderson. This guy from Scotland who’s got an amazing voice. Absolutely fantastic. And so we thought, yeah, that would be absolutely right for Lionheart. And so we got him in, and we went to Spain and did a tour in Spain with him, and everything worked out really well. He was a great frontman, looked good, and his voice really suited Lionheart. And we’d recorded SECOND NATURE that had come out already. And we’re starting to write songs for the new album, which turned out to be the REALITY OF MIRACLES. So the way we work is that I, and Rocky and Dennis sometimes as well, come up with backing tracks, and then we give them to the singer, and the singer puts his ideas to it, and they put the song together that way. So I sent these ideas to Jimmy, and I didn’t hear anything back. And so I called him and said, “Look, it’d be nice if we could start getting some vocals down on these tracks” And he said, “I’ll get round to it sooner or later. I’m still thinking and thinking of ideas”. And this went on and on, and nothing really happened. And I said, “Look, I’m not used to working this way. I’m used to working with a singer who is very proactive in terms of writing songs and can get a very good chemistry going.” And it turned out that he didn’t really write songs. And there’s one great song that he’d written that we really liked. He said, “Yeah, but I’m keeping that for my solo album, so I can’t give that to Lionheart.”

And it just got to the point in the end where I just thought, I don’t think this is going to work, because if I’m having to work this hard to get one song out of Jimmy, what’s it going to be like with the whole album? So anyway, I spoke to Lee in the meantime, and he said, “Oh, this thing in LA didn’t work out.” And I said, “Well, look, would you consider coming back into the band?” He said, “Of course. I mean, I didn’t want to leave in the first place, really”. And so I phoned Jimmy. I said, “Look, it’s great. It’s been a joy working with you, and thanks for everything, but from the writing side of things, it’s just not working. I’m really sorry”. And so we did this change back to Lee. And I have to say, when Lee came back, he was so grateful to be back in the band, and he just came up with the idea after idea after idea, and we had the songs together for the REALITY OF MIRACLES almost within a few weeks. It’s really, really great. And Lee, just IS Lionheart. You know when you have a brother in the band when you have a soulmate that works in the band, and of course, myself, Dennis (Stratton), and Rocky (Newton) are soul mates anyway, along with Clive (Edwards). And Lee, he just kind of became a soulmate too, so having him back in the band was fantastic.

How long was Lee exactly away from the band?

It wasn’t that long. It’s probably about two or three months, something like that. We tried to work with Jimmy during that time, but I think if I remember correctly, it was only like two months, three months.

So, Lee moved to Los Angeles but returned to the UK only three months later?

No, he didn’t even get as far as going to LA, and even at the time, he said it wasn’t 100 % sure, but was probably is going to happen. We said we’ve got this tour to Spain coming up and other things, so we have to make a decision. So it was never 100 % with Lee, but it was fairly certain, but then it got to the point where the whole thing started to fall apart in L.A. So that’s when he said,” no, it’s not happening, and I’ll come back into Lionheart.”

It must have been relieving to hear those words from Lee?

Oh, absolutely. I mean, when Lee said he was free to rejoin, I was over the moon, to be honest. I just thought it worked so well with Lee for SECOND NATURE, and we’d started writing for the REALITY FOR MIRACLES already with him, and then that’s when the LA thing got in the way. So when he came back in, we just wrote fast and furious. And we got the album finished off very quickly.

And now you’re working on the next Lionheart album, correct?

Now, we’re looking at the next one. The fourth one. It’s been very difficult because I’ve been involved with many other projects. But we started the next album, it must have been about two years ago. And things progressed very fast, to begin with. And then the new Michael Schenker album came up. And then I had some other projects that I was doing. During the first part of COVID, we were finishing off THE REALITY OF MIRACLES, and there was quite a bit left to do at the beginning of 2020 when COVID started. And the fact that we had the lockdown enabled me to really get THE REALITY OF MIRACLES finished off. And that came out in what, I think it was July, was it, 2020, I think, something like that, yeah, or August? So that was great. And then I think we had like a two-month break. And then I said, “Well, let’s start getting on with the new album.” But then that’s where other projects came up for me, and other projects came up for Dennis, Clive, and Rocky. And it all became a bit bitty. And then we had a long break. And then we got a bit more stuff done and had a long break. And that’s how it’s been all the way through. And then this tour came up, and I had to rehearse for this tour. I had to learn the new songs. I had to do the videos and record the material for the UNIVERSAL album.

And then the Ousey/Mann album came up, and that took a lot of my time. So, Lionheart very much took a back seat. But the point we’re at now, we’ve got all the songs. Lee has sung, I think, about eleven songs. There’s another couple to do. I need to finish off some keyboards, and then it’s obviously mixing and mastering. And I’m hoping that once I get back from this tour, then I should be able to get stuck into the Lionheart album and get cracking with that.

It seems that this MSG tour is a long one, so it will take some time to finish all these projects?

Well, it’s– I mean, the Ousey/Mann album is done. That’s coming out on June 24th. I’m doing an album with Robin McAuley, which Rocky Newton is doing the bass for. We’re planning to do that when I finish this tour as well. So when I get back from this tour, there will be the Lionheart album to finish off and the album with Robin to do, which I’m really looking forward to. I’ve wanted to do an album with Robin for a long time.

What is that project with Robin going to be that called?

I don’t know yet. It’s early days, but probably just McAuley/Mann, Mann/McAuley, or something like that. When it comes to names, we’re not very adventurous. Same with Ousey/Mann. We just thought it’s Chris Ousey, Steve Mann; let’s just call it Ousey/Mann.

Chris Ousey is a great singer. I actually saw him live with Snakecharmer a few years ago.

He’s a great singer, a really great singer. Funnily enough, I’ve never actually met him. We’ve only done Internet work, and Khalil Turk from Escape Records introduced us. And he said, “Look, I just think you’ll work well together. You’ve got similar personalities,” which we have. And we hit it off straight away, and he loves to work the way I love to work, which is I do the backing tracks and send them to Chris. He does all his vocals at his home studio, sends them back, and I put them all together. And it just worked really, really well that way, and we’ve come up with a fantastic album. I think it’s some of my best work ever. It just really, really gelled the way the whole thing came together.

Have you already released something off from the album?

This one single, which has been released by Escape, which is called ”I’ll Tell You When to Stop.” It’s on YouTube. It’s not actually typical of the album. The album itself is more heavy rock. But this one single has been released. It’s almost Queen-like. It’s a little bit of a pop element to it. There’s a ukulele banjo there, Queen-type guitar harmonies and stuff. It’s quite an interesting track, but it’s not typical of the album. The album itself is a bit heavier.

Can you tell me who the other musicians on the album are?

It’s myself and Chris, obviously. And then, we got Clive Edwards on drums, and my wife Angela played bass on it. And then, obviously, the keyboards, I did. And Chris did all the backing vocals. And then, there’s my son Jason, who did backing vocals on the first single, ”I’ll Tell You When to Stop.” So he does his lovely little backing vocal bit, which sounded really great.

So, it’s a kind of family album?

Sort of. My wife is a great bass player, and she was in a band called Rosy Vista. And then, I just thought, well, she’s here. She’s got the time, and she’s well up for playing. And we said, “Let’s just stick you in on bass,” and it worked out really well. It’s really great.

Hey, even Whitesnake has a female bass player nowadays.

They do. Yeah. Lady bass players are quite hip at the moment. [laughter] So, it works out quite well.


Our time is running out, but I still have a subject to ask about. I recently ran into some pretty new The Sweet video stuff, and you’re also on those videos. I remember that you’ve played with the band in the past, so how is your story with the Sweet?

Well, I joined in either 1989 or 1990. I can’t remember. I was guesting, so still with the McAuley Schenker Group. And so I was officially guesting with The Sweet. Then when I left MSG, I said to Andy, “Okay. I can become a firm member,” I think that was around 1991, but I’ve been guesting with them since about 1989. And then, I officially left in 1996. So I was with the band for about seven years altogether.

But you’re still working with them occasionally when the timing is right?

We always said– when I left, I left on very good terms, and I get on with everybody in the band. And so we always said, well, when the time is right, I’ll just get up and do a guest spot or just do a whole show. And that’s how it’s been since 1996. And from 1996 onwards, I was doing a lot of shows all the time. I mean, Steve Grant had officially joined, but he had his own project going at the time. And so there were a lot of shows that he wasn’t able to do. So I was coming in and still guesting with The Sweet back in those days, and it just carried on that way. I did the UK tour a couple of years ago. So it depends on how often I talk to them. When I speak to Andy and this show is coming up, and he says, do you fancy doing these shows or those shows, or these are close to you or whatever, then I say, “Yeah. That’d be good,” and we just play it by ear. The thing is, I know all the songs, and it’s a lot of fun. And I’ve always loved playing with The Sweet. So we just do it on a– I don’t know, on a kind of per requirement basis. I’ll do the show if I’m free.

The Sweet, the 60’th anniversary concert, Berlin 2018 w/ Doro Pesch


When I spoke with Michael last March, he told me earlier that you have a US tour coming up after these European shows, then Australia, maybe South America, Japan, and the whole world almost?

Yeah, that’s right. That’s the first I’ve heard of Australia. But yeah, these two are penciled in. They’re not officially announced yet, so I’m not quite sure what I can say and what I can’t say. So probably best, I don’t say anything. But the American tour is confirmed. That’s definitely happening. That’s later this year. But yeah, there’s a lot coming up for the band.

It will be a long run, but fortunately, there are some breaks. Do you have plans to make any shows with your other bands, like Lionheart, during those breaks?

Oh, that’s a very good question. Possibly. I mean, we have to rehearse up. So it’s quite a task putting a band together. Lionheart is ready and willing to go anytime, so we might be able to get some gigs for Lionheart. Unfortunately, there have been gigs coming up, but they’ve always clashed with what one of us has been doing elsewhere because, obviously, Dennis is doing other stuff. I’m doing other stuff, so is Rocky, and so is Clive, and so is Lee. So it’s quite difficult to slot in Lionheart shows because, normally, one of us is doing something else somewhere. But obviously, with Michael, Michael takes the first priority. So whenever that comes up with Michael, I’m there free to do that. So it’s always quite tricky slotting in gigs with these other projects. And I’m very much a studio man. I mean, I love doing these tours. I love getting out and playing live, but the greatest thing that I like to do is just sit in the studio and create. And I love the idea that you play something, and then it’s there. You listen to it afterward. It’s not gone unless somebody records a show on YouTube or something. Whatever you play live, you play it once, the audience hears it, and then it’s gone forever, so I like the idea of actually creating, and then it being there on a CD or something for the rest of eternity, and I like that idea. I just like playing around in the studio and just trying out different ideas and stuff. So that’s my favorite environment.

Steve, I think that was it this time. Thanks for your time, and best of luck with the tour, and all those upcoming projects.

Thank you Marko.