Sadistic Intent – Bay Cortez, Rick Cortez, Ernesto Bueno and Arthur Mendiola

April 23rd, 2017
by Arto Lehtinen

INTERVIEW WITH SADISTIC INTENT

Bay Cortez, Rick Cortez, Ernesto Bueno and Arthur Mendiola

Sadistic Intent is one of the most respected bands in the underground death metal scene. The four-piece guided by the Cortez brothers has doggedly been carving out their path in death metal since 1987. The band has had ups and downs during these years, but gained monumental status in the death metal scene. Sadistic Intent is a brutal war machine as far as their material is concerned and above all the four piece’s gigs are a pure triumph of true and brutal death metal. Metal-Rules.com sat down with the whole band and had a long conversation about various topics. 

Interview and pics by Arto Lehtinen


Welcome to Finland.

Bay : Yeah. We’re glad to be here again.

It’s the fifth time. Jalometalli and…

Rick : …Black Mass Ritual.

Yeah. Black Mass Ritual, Steelfest.

Rick : Yeah, Steelfest and the Perkele Cub.

 

“ANCIENT BLACK EARTH”

I came across a really old interview in Voices From The Darkside, and you said that “you have never ever played outside of L.A, and you have heard good things from Europe”. I guess at that time you didn’t dream or have a dream about playing in Europe and other places. I guess this must have been one hell of a ride for the last 10 years?                                      

Rick : Yeah. When we first started the band, honestly our goal back in the beginning was just to play backyard parties in Los Angeles. We were in high school and we were like, hey. You know what? We couldn’t play the clubs. Because the club scene back then, you had to be like Poison or Guns N’ Roses style. Obviously Sadistic Intent are more extreme type of metal and we couldn’t do the clubs. Like I said, back then we had no idea we’d ever play outside Los Angeles. We were just, “Hey! Let’s just play some backyards.” That was really our goal at that time. So for us to play in all these different countries now – It’s done beyond what we ever thought it would and it’s been a great ride.

Bay : We were kind of against that. We couldn’t afford to go over there. They probably wouldn’t bring us into all these stuff. But now it’s become a reality. So it’s great. It’s great.

Rick : Yeah. I don’t take it for granted. It took a lot of dedication and years of like I said dedication to get to this point. So it’s really great to be here and so we had some really nice experiences on the road and stuff.

Besides crisscrossing Europe you have played in Australia and South America – conquering new continents has been one of your things what you wanted to do besides playing in Europe.

Bay : Right, right.

Do you have still places that where we would like to go ? For example Japan, South Korea or something like that?

Bay : Yeah, yeah. I think like that would be nice. We’re interested in those. Like very nice schedules, kind of like we can’t do it right now.

Rick : We’ve heard good things about Japan and we heard that they are interested in us. So maybe that is something that will happen in the future maybe. We also have other countries in South America who also wants Sadistic Intent, and there is people talking to us right now.

Bay : We went to Singapore.

Rick : Yeah. Singapore was something kind of rare for us. But yeah. We’re looking at countries like, Colombia is interested in us for now. I kind of forget all the major ones now. But there is a few countries in South America that we haven’t been to yet. So there is some more interest. So we’ll see what happens.

Bay : It would be a nice experience. We haven’t played Sweden of all places.

 

“ETERNAL DARKNESS”

 

I can’t help asking about being a backup band for Possessed or Jeff Becerra. Do you think that playing with Possessed opened new doors for you because you’re able to tour more and more now?

Bay : I don’t think. Maybe a little bit, but I don’t think it was like all the credit. I don’t think. I don’t think so.

Rick : When we’d be on tour with Possessed. Everywhere we went, I would say like 98% of the promoters would always want to book Sadistic Intent. They were like, “Hey you guys from Sadistic, I want you to play too”. So we would always get invited. Like for example when we did Jalometalli, the Festival in Finland. The promoter was like, “Hey, I want Sadistic Intent to play too”. When we did Way Of Darkness Festival in Germany. The promoter, “Hey, I want Sadistic Intent to play too”. When we got invited to Bergen, Norway. The Hole in the Sky Festival, same thing. “Yeah. I want Sadistic Intent to play”. So Sadistic Intent may not be as big of a name as Possessed, because Possessed is one of the pioneers of death metal genre. We’re a little bit after – A few years later. But we’ve been around for a while now too. But I think, yes, it was a good thing to be in Possessed. I might even say it wasn’t. But I don’t really know if it really opened up the doors that much, where we owe them all the credit. “Thanks to Possessed, we’re here in Europe now”. I wouldn’t really go that far. No.

Bay : I think it was going to happen already.

Rick : Yeah. I think Sadistic Intent had been working all these years, underground and it’s just been spreading over time. Spreading and spreading and the scenes of….

Bay : Like Hell’s Pleasure, they took us out there before. That to me opened more doors for us. Those people seeing us live and other promoters got more interested in us like that, and that was even when we were not doing Possessed.

Rick : Like I said, it was a cool thing to do a Possessed thing. But I’m not going to knock it and say, it’s like doing it. It was cool. It was one of our big influences. So we had I guess our good moments in that band. But like I said I wouldn’t say, yeah. “Thanks to Possessed, we’re here in Europe now”. I wouldn’t go that far either. It’s what I think.

Do you think that Sadistic Intent would be much, much bigger – Even bigger than Morbid Angel or on the same level, if things had clicked in the right way and you had got more effect to the band ?

Rick : Yeah. I would say back in the early ’90s, we had a label interest from the big labels back then. Back when bands like Morbid Angel were getting signed, bands like Entombed.

When death metal was a big thing in the early ’90s.

Rick : Yeah, exactly. The early death metal boom. Back then we were around. But what happened is our singer, he quit the band. Then he came back and then he left again and then our drummer left and then he was back. Then the labels basically told us back then. “Hey guys, we like your music. We wanted to sign you guys. But we do not want to invest money into your band and then you guys break up. You guys break up a few months later”. They told us we were too young and we’re unstable and they just kind of passed on us. I think if the band would have been more solid back then and we kept it together, perhaps we could have been a part of that first death metal wave. I don’t know if I should say first death metal wave. But part of that when the bands I just mentioned – The early ’90s death metal boom. We could have been on that wave. But again, we had members in and out and it just kind of basically hurt us as far as getting signed. But I think though honestly – I think it’s in a way – I don’t even dwell on that. I don’t look back. We could have been a bigger band. We just kept on going.

Bay : Yeah. It’s not something that we kind of like we go just like, we could have had our chance. We’ve passed, it’s over.

Rick : I feel like in a way that kind of kept us in the underground. We stood in contact with many die-hards from around the world, many fanzines and just the bands that we were in contact with. I think the die-hards of the international underground supported Sadistic Intent. I think it’s made us stronger, honestly.

Bay : Yeah. I think we have more foundation of fans that real metal fans.

Rick : I think people who like Sadistic Intent are a little bit more dedicated. Than if we would have gotten signed back then and we probably would have lost contact with the underground. Because you look back on the death metal boom. A lot of those fans were into the trendies. If you look at it. They abandoned a ship. They went to death metal for like a year and then all over sudden, death metal is not cool any more. That’s a thing of the past. Then a lot of those bands that went up, they just went back down. They skyrocketed and they just dropped. I think we’ve had a pretty good foundation. Pretty good underground, people that supported us through thick and thin. That’s how I feel. I don’t really dwell on what could have been or whatever. I think we’re still around and we  still got some feel left in the tank. It’s not over ye

Bay : We’re like happy with this lineup too.

Rick : I think for now like I said, it’s not over yet. We still have some more things to accomplish. So I think we’re okay.

 

“UNTIMELY END” ? 

You say that the thing is not over yet. You posted a very mystical message on your Facebook some time ago, as “Come to see us that you never know what”. What was the purpose on posting that message?

Rick : Honestly, what it is? Is in life things can happen, where things can change. Just life can change in an instant sometimes. There has been times where Bay has been really sick and the doctor told me he almost died. Some things happened to me, where it’s like life and death situations. I’m looking around and some of my friends are actually dead now. People our age, they’re gone. The first thing we said, this is not a farewell tour. If you remember. If you read back and you look at it. It says, this is not a farewell tour. What we were just trying to say is like, hey. Look, right now you have a chance to witness Sadistic Intent live. If we’re in your town, come and see us. Because we never know what might happen. Who knows? What if the metal scene all over sudden just goes downhill and metal is not being cool ? “Sorry guys, we can’t bring you. There is not enough people”.

Bay : Something can happen to us. Something could happen to the fans. It could go either way. It could be a big catastrophic. Something, you know. You never know.

Rick : The reality is we’re getting I think closer to the end now. We’ve been around for 30 years now. Yeah, just about 30 years at this point. This year, March. 30 years. So we’re not going to be around forever. That’s one of the things. That’s what we were telling people.” Hey, look. If you get a chance, go see us right now. Because you never know”. Like I said, there are no guarantees. We just don’t snap our fingers and, “Hey, We want to come back to Europe. Make it happen”. It’s not that easy. There is a lot of money involved and lots of planning. There is all these logistics. So we’re just basically just trying to tell people look, “If you like this band, go see it. Don’t think – I’ll just go next time because I got to go – I have a birthday party to go to or some shit”.

Bay : Like right before we came, Arthur had gotten to a car accident. It could have been fatal. Luckily he’s okay and stuff. But that was unexpected. Two weeks before we came and we didn’t get to practice. It was like, “Is he okay?” We were kind of all concerned. But luckily he’s all right. The stuff like that is like totally unexpected. You see it, always at the end of the year there is a lot of people dying an in the beginning, like right now. All these happens, it’s kind of crazy.

You, Ernesto, have been in the band about 10 years and you, Arthur joined the band a couple of years ago. What do you feel about playing in Sadistic Intent and touring around Europe and going to South America?

Arthur : I think it’s a great learning experience. It allows you to adapt to different instruments and different crowds, but still give the same energy. It’s just been pure learning for me. Just pure learning. I think it’s I’m going to keep learning and growing.

What kind of background do you have before joining?

Arthur : I was in a few local bands, playing. I was actually doing a little bit more modern stuff. So when I joined Sadistic I actually learned the old traditional wave, full blasting and all like skunk beats and different kind of thrash beat. But I think I’m adapting well. Some of those stuff have been challenging, like the one foot blast is probably the hardest.

Do you think the playing this kind of stuff is much harder than playing a modern stuff that you used to play?

Arthur : It’s different. Because the modern stuff is more of a speed and technique maybe, while this music is more about the feeling. I think it’s like most of the feeling and there is a lot more power, more energy I think. So it’s different. It’s different, like I have to hit a lot harder with Sadistic. The speeds aren’t as fast maybe, but it’s a different technique. It’s modern. Its better I think to play live, because you hit the shit out of the drums.

Were you aware of Sadistic Intent before you joined the band?

Arthur : Yeah. Yeah, I did. Yeah.

How about you Ernie- You have been in the band about 10 ?

Ernesto : The question was I have been playing Sadistic Intent. It’s been great. Whatever  I can say 10 years. It’s been phenomena experience and still going. Not in million years, I never thought I would have an opportunity to play with these guys and on travel and see new things, meet people and doing this. Doing what you love. So to me it’s been a great experience. I love it and I’m grateful for the Cortez brothers. They gave me the opportunity to bring me to their world, their band and share. I guess the band’s music experience…

Bay : Ernie has been like really dedicated to the band and he’s a really cool guy, and he fits perfect with the band. We all get along really great.

Do they share the same kind of musical taste as you? Because they’re a bit younger than you.

Bay : Pretty much kind of like share the same musical taste like us.

Rick : He likes a lot of ’80 shit like we do.

Bay : He’s like us.

Rick : Somehow, even though he’s younger he appreciates the older music like we do. Arthur is a little younger. I think Arthur is a little more…

Bay : …Very nice adjusted.

Arthur : I got into Judas Priest, Mercyful Fate. My father got me into it. So we shared the older stuff.

Members have come and gone. But what has motivated you keep going through challenges during these years that you haven’t given up?

Rick : I still enjoy the music. I still feel there is like an energy, like this power that when we play. It’s kind of hard to put into words. But I still have that in me and as long as I feel that and as long as I’m physically able to play this music. Because I think it’s physically demanding. When we play live it’s like the energy comes out. Like I said, it’s physically demanding and for now we still have the energy to do it. Like I said we still enjoy what we do. We’ve had some obstacles along the way. We had to find new members at that point. But we kept it going and we’re lucky that we found these guys to keep Sadistic Intent alive with us and stuff. Like I said, we still enjoy it. I think it’s really the bottom line, we still enjoy what we do with this band. I think the day we don’t enjoy it it’s – I don’t know – It is not working anymore. We have to know, this is time to throwing a towel. But for now we’re still enjoying.

Bay : Once you stop enjoying it, that’s when you know you have to stop. It’s kind of like a job where you don’t even want to be there. I think that’s definitely, you have to stop. Yeah. It shows I think in the bands that don’t enjoy what they’re doing, you can see it. The fans can see it. The music staff knows. So once we get to that point.

Rick : For me it’s not just music, but there is also the spiritual element to it. That’s a part of when we play there is this… The music is not just like an empty shell. It’s not an empty shell. That there is this like I said the spiritual and the darkness represents something personal for me. That’s part of what we do with the music. It’s like I said, it’s not just an empty shell.

When you got these guys in the band, did you feel that you got the new blood and fresh ideas to the band that keeps motivating you more and continue in the future?

Rick : When we got Ernie awhile back. Before Ernie, there was a guy, Vincent in our band, and he ended up leaving the band. We looked for several guitar players and some of the guitar players, they were pretty good.  They just couldn’t really hang. They would tell me, “Hey man. This is hard. I can’t really play it” and I would tell them, hey. Just keep on trying. They just some of them again it was just kind of close, but not really. They couldn’t really hang. Then there was guys that had good attitudes. Like I really like the person. “Hey, this guy would be a good guy to be in our band. He’s a metal head, he’s cool. But he can’t play our songs, like fuck”. Then there was a guitar player that was pretty good, but then his attitude was kind of fucked up. So that didn’t work either. With Ernie, it’s kind of funny. But he actually came into our shopping, we have a record store. He told me,” I heard you guys are looking for a guitar player” and I’m like, “Yeah. What’s up?” He goes, “I can play your songs easily”. I go, “Really?”. So he had this attitude like, “Really? I can do it easy”. Like, “Oh shit!” I’m going to go get my guitar. Let me see you do it. So I gave Ernie an A for effort on the first shot. But I could tell he was a good guitar player. I don’t expect anybody to come in and be perfect. You could see when they have the potential and then you’re just going to work with them, and just try to get it better and better. So Ernie had the potential and we’ve gotten along well. So we’ve been doing it. It’s worked out. Basically with Marquez it was kind of the same thing. We needed a drummer and luckily we had a mutual friend that kind of introduced us. It was kind of the same thing. It wasn’t really perfect, but the potential was there and we decided to work with him, work with him. Then things started coming together. As far as ideas and music, I don’t know. I guess Bay and I are kind of picky about the stuff. We just when the ideas pop up, they pop up. Honestly, we haven’t really been trying to come out with a whole lot of material. To be honest with you. We’ve been just kind of practicing a lot of the older stuff. We just really want to get it super solid and get the foundation. Get all the old school feel and then from there, little by little we’re building new songs. So we already have some new stuff that’s been worked on.

 ” INVOCATIONS OF THE DEATH-RIDDEN”  

You got the EP out with Pentacle. How did this collaboration with Pentacle come about?

Bay : It’s actually we talked about it years and years ago and stuff like that. Finally it kind of like saw the light. The Reawakening was going to be the original idea, but then like somehow it wasn’t the right time. So we put that out by itself. We always wanted to do something with Pentacle, because we talked about it for years ago. They’re like good friends of ours and we also wanted to do it. So this was like the right time to do it. Pretty much that’s how it came out. We talked about it for many years and stuff. But it’s finally became a reality now.

Rick: I think Wannes wanted to probably ask how long ago.

Bay : Yeah, he asked a long time ago. I’ve been friends with them forever and we talked about it. It finally came through.

Rick : We’ve had several bands ask us to do splits. But we can’t do a split with every band out there.

How do you pick up those bands, with whom you do split album?

Rick : Honestly, what stands out for me personally is he’s been very supportive of our band. For many years I would read his interviews and I would see him talk about Sadistic Intent. Sadistic Intent is one of the true death metal bands and he’s been doing that for years. Especially back in the old days, there was a point when black metal had become really popular and death metal had become like, “Death metal is not cool anymore.” It was kind of the talk back in the ’90s, Back in the mid ’90s. I think a lot of death metal bands started changing, hey. Let’s turn black metal, let’s put on make-up now. One was in Pentacle, were like a band that was like us. Like, hey. “We’re not changing, we’re old school death metal. We’re not going to change and fuck that”. That’s what I like about them. Like I said, he was always very supportive. I like their music and when he asked this, it just felt right to do it. It just took a while to do it. Finally we got it done.

Costa Stoios came into the picture and released the split album – He’s a longtime friend with you guys?

Bay : Yeah, through his magazine. We met him through Tales of The Macabre. We were interviewed out there and we worked with him with the Resurrection of the Ancient Black Earth. He’s been honest. He’s a good guy. We felt he was right the guy to put out our music. It’s still underground. He’s been honest with us and fair. So we like working with him.

Rick : He first started supporting Sadistic through his magazine. We really liked his fanzine. It was really old school vibe. There was just that really cool old death and black metal vibe. He liked us and he put us in the center for all his magazine, and had a big Sadistic Intent poster. Like I said, when the opportunity came up for his label to release our stuff, it just felt right.

Bay : Because he’s into it for the RESURRECTION Ep

Rick : Yeah. He’s a diehard, we just like his vision. I felt like we had the same kind of vision I guess. We just work well together and we just felt right doing it with him and I think it’s worked out well. I think for being an underground band.

Bay : He’s never giving us a hard time, he’s been fair with us and we’re happy with everything at this level.

Rick : Like I said, for being an underground band and an underground label, I think we’ve been to lots of countries now and somehow the music spreads.

It has been spoken a lot about your album – Second Coming. But everybody knows what happened. What kinds of plans do you have to release the full length album or do you rather release Eps or split album ?

Rick : I don’t want to promise any dates anymore. Because it seems like every time we say a date, it never happens. I look back at my old interviews, yeah man. Next year. Like I don’t want to say anymore.

But you have a lot of new stuff anyway.

Rick : Yeah, yeah. We definitely have some new riffs. As a matter of fact, just the other day while on tour. I believe we were in France. I Kind of had a new riff pop up on my head and I showed it to these guys, and like we started practicing a brand new riff. “So I was like, we got a new riff. Let’s practice real quick and with the sound check, we were just doing this new riff. It was like, shit. Cool, sounds good”. Yes. So we definitely have some new ideas and songs.

Bay : We’ve done like fragments of songs that we’ve already been working on.

Rick : Yeah. The new record is something that for me it’s important. I think it’s imperative that we do a record before the band comes to an end. I think that’s definitely a big part of our plan, is to have that record done. So I guess that’s pretty much what I have to say about it.

Bay : Then our focus when we get back we’ll start putting all the ideas out, so we can start building it. Getting it together. So we’ll take the 10 years. But now that we can learn some of these, doing the stuff ourselves. It’s a big help. We could actually make it a reality, instead of having to pay somebody. We’d probably have to pay a little bit. But now we’ve learned from a lot of stuff. So we could do that and make it, producing stuff. So I think that’s a big plus for us.

Rick : Back in the older days you really needed a lot of expensive equipment to record yourself. It’s become a little more affordable.  It’s become a little easier for bands to just do it themselves. So now we have those tools and…

Bay : … And stress too.

Rick : Yeah. So that’s really our goals. We can just do it ourselves instead of keep relying on other people. But I have to say that in this last recording was really a pressure to work with Bill Metoyer. He was really cool to work with the Pentacle split we just did and I wouldn’t mind working with Bill again, honestly. Because he has experience and he knows his craft, So having somebody like that, to kind of guide us and we could just kind of shape it little by little. I did my riffs and we could just like, let me tweak it a little bit here and there. I think we work well together. So I sure wouldn’t mind working with Bill Metoyer again.

Bay : We’re happy with it, the sound that we got.

Rick : I think he would like to work with us as well to be honest with you. So we’ll see what happens in the future. But that’s kind of what it’s looking like to me.

You used to have a deal and work with Wild Rags. How did you manage to have a deal with Wild Rags back in the day? They used to be known for ripping people off very badly.

Bay : Yeah, we already knew, we were getting into it. We used to go to the store and we used to deal with the guy. He was a kind of a character and stuff. A lot of the bands that with the label, we knew them too. They had problems. But we had a really good, distribution This music. We would get back. So that’s how we did it. We pick as we could have. Hard to get really ripped off.

Rick : Just really quick, like what Bay kind of said is to reiterate. We kind of had heard stories about him. That he would take advantage of the bands. Back then we told ourselves “Look – If we do an EP, it’s not a full length. So if he does rip us off. It’s not going to be for all of our music, it will just be like a few songs”. Honestly, back then we just wanted our music to get out more. He had the distribution at that time. He was pretty well connected back in those days. So we just kind of took the risk. Fuck it. We might not get paid, but whatever. Our music will be out there. So we want the name to spread. So that’s what we did back then. Like I said, we kind of had an idea. But the thing is this guy got carried away and it became to the point where not only did he rip us off. But he started insulting us. That’s where things got kind of like, hey. You know what? This guy, he already ripped us off. This is bullshit for him to start hurling insults at us and talking shit. It just got personal.

Bay : He could kind of like smash bands and like we didn’t hear about him anymore. He was trying to do it to us too. But we were already in the underground scene too. So we got together with all people that he ripped off too. So we started this big kind of dynasty.

Rick : Like a little coalition against Wild Rags and people just came out of wood work. His reputation, it really went down. Because people just started coming out of like I said out of nowhere. People that we didn’t know – this guy fucking rip me off. So you started hearing all these stories and go, shit. It was bigger than we thought.

 

“EXORCIST AND NECROPHILIAC” 

You have done some cover songs such as Possessed, Slayer, Celtic Frost and Darkthrone.

Bay : We kind of did the one with Sepultura’s Funeral Rites. That was Urgehal really though. We were on there too though. They wrote to Thomas, who wanted me to sing on it and play bass and they wanted Rick to do solos.

How do you pick up those cover songs? Are they coming from natural or do you want to make some kind of nostalgia thing to remember your youth, when you’re listening to those bands? Darkthrone is a little bit different…

Rick : Yeah. Darkthrone is a little bit different. Like for Slayer, Celtic Frost, Possessed. Those bands are basically the first bands or some of the first bands that we got into to play this type of music. Without those bands there would probably be no Sadistic Intent. So those are the bands were like for us we look up to and those are the bands like, “Fuck – This music is getting heavier, it’s getting faster, darker and this is what we want to do now”. So when it came to do covers, it just feels right to do that old school stuff. Because to this day I still like that. I still like that music.

Bay : Those songs in particular like the Celtic Frost and the Slayer, like they’re friend of ours. He was doing those places. So he asked us and that’s how those kind of thing came about. So we pick the song.

Can you relate yourself to the modern day Slayer – Repentless?

Rick : It’s cool. Don’t get me wrong. It’s cool, but it’s hard for me to top HELL AWAITS. It’s hard to top the old school stuff like REIGN IN BLOOD

Bay : I think without Dave Lombardo, it’s really changed their sound. He’s like a big part of Slayer song. If he was playing on those albums. I think they would have been a lot better. His style is so unique to Slayer and it’s like a big piece of the puzzle and it’s not dynamic and you can hear it in the music. Because some of the riffs, you can hear Dave Lombardo. He was playing and he’d go….   And we are like, oh. But now it is more like really flat. They had like gallop. His signature rolls, its classic. It’s missing. I hear it like right away.

When you are rehearsing in your rehearsal place, do you jam for example the old stuff like old thrash songs – thinking this would be good cover songs or just like you played Van Halen?

Rick : Yeah, yeah. I play AC/DC a lot.

Bay : The last time when we rehearsed we were almost like…

Rick : Judas Priest.

Bay : Yeah. “We were just getting there like… We were just late. So it was just like, all right. Let’s practice now. We don’t have much time to be messing around. Listen, will throw some heavy metal. We all love heavy metal stuff”.

Do you think you could do a cover song of Dark Angel ?

Rick : Dark Angel, yeah. Definitely is one of our, once again another old influence. For me it’s kind of a special thing, we actually got a letter one day. It was back in the mid ’90s. Handwritten letter. This guy liked our band. Goes, “Hey man! I like your band Sadistic Intent.” Basically like a fan mail. At the end of the letter it was signed, Jim Durkin. I was like, “No way”. I wrote back to the guy, I’m like, “Hey man. By any chance, is this Jim Durkin formerly of Dark Angel?” Because by that time they had broken up. He wrote back, yeah man. It’s me. I used to be in Dark Angel.” Oh shit”! So I thought that was really cool moment for me personally, to get a letter from Jim Durkin of Dark Angel. Because DARKNESS DESCENDS to me is a classic album.

Bay : WE HAVE ARRIVED. We played with them, that was ’89. It was pretty cool.

Rick : Dark Angel was basically like L.A’s second Slayer. It was like Slayer was like the original pioneers of extreme. Of course there was Metallica around too. But I think Metallica to me is more like a real thrash band. Where to me, I know Slayer people call them thrash. But in my opinion, Slayer to me is the roots of death and black metal. They have the evil lyrics. The way they dressed it was like this death black metal vibe – The inverted crosses and pentagrams. To me, like I said, Slayer was basically like the roots of death and Black Metal. Where Metallica was more like a thrash band. That’s my opinion. I like Metallica too, don’t get me wrong. I do. Especially the old stuff, the Cliff Burton era stuff. But Slayer to me was just that’s the stuff that grabs me more. “Like, this fucking aggressive music. Fuck yeah, I want to play this shit. This is like really powerful”. Then Dark Angel when they came out it was kind of like, “Shit! This is kind of like another Slayer in a way.” But I’m not saying they copy Slayer. But it was kind of like, they just kind of have that, “Yeah! This is like a fucking another cool band.” So yeah.

Bay : At one point it was like Dark Angel and Slayer, the next thing they were like at the same level almost. I still like it.

Rick : Dark Angel is a band. It wouldn’t be like a farfetched idea if we did a cover. Yeah, it’s a band we like. Another band we like. Just like we like Sodom. Sodom is another killer band. The old school Kreator stuff. Yeah. There is different bands that we still haven’t done. But I don’t know if we’ll ever do it or not. But we still like it, we still enjoy it. 

“DEATH IS COMING” 

What does death metal mean to you?

Bay : Let me see. Death metal for me is a big part of our lives, for me. That’s what we do for Sadistic Intent. Death metal is every part of our lives, for me. For me, it’s a big part of my life. Being in a band this many years, it’s like more than my…

Rick : Death metal for me, I think it has to evoke these dark feelings of, you’re singing about death. It’s not supposed to be funny and goofy. I think for me it’s like…

Bay : It’s serious music.

Rick : It’s supposed to bring forth these visions of like darkness. Some bands to me, they say they’re death metal. But they kind of look like nerds. Sometimes to me it’s like bands say they’re death metal, but I don’t get the vibe. The essence of death metal. It’s a cult. To me death metal is a cult. I think if you’re death metal, you have to evoke these feelings. Like I said of darkness. It’s just the way I see it.

Bay : It’s a combination of everything. Like you got to be into it. It tends to be like these guys are really… You’ve seen how like just go into Internet and they know these bands. It’s the biggest part of you and stuff. Of course we’re dealing with reality.

Rick : We sing about death and different situations. It could be a song that’s kind of more like about reality of death. People die in real-life in different ways and with different situations. Then we sing about stuff that’s a little bit more apocalyptic vision. Like the demons. We have different aspects of the vision and stuff. It could murders or just different stuff. But we’re death metal bands, we’re not gong to sing about freaking teddy bears and roses.

What about you guys?

Ernesto : Like what Rick said, I don’t have too much to say to what he just said. Me, I’m that person in death metal. Like you said, there are some people out there identifying themselves as death metal. You see they’re nerds. To me it’s more of a spiritual thing. I love the music. When you hear it, something goes… To me, it kind of like awakens your soul. It’s like top of world, like mind expanding. Enriches me. When I listen to it and also when I play it, it kind of revolves around my everyday life. So I mean, that’s the way I look at it. That’s my lifestyle I guess.

Rick : Just like Ernie says, there is a spiritual element to it. You could get this. It’s like astral state of mind. These visions and just the music. If the music is done right, just together with the theme of the music, song.

Bay : Like some people say like it’s like a soul in a way. The music is done with soul and some bands play and it has no soul in it. It’s just like, it’s just like there. It sounds heavy. It’s all brutal and everything, but it doesn’t have a soul.

Ernesto : That’s why when I referred to it as part of like death metal. I’m referring to it like the early roots cult. Like the cult stuff. Like I would say like the spirit, like old Slayer, Show No Mercy. Like Hell Awaits. Lyrical context like -That’s kind of the stuff I identify myself.

Arthur : I think death metal and black metal and the underground stuff is… There is not a lot of music that primarily focuses on the darkness and evil. I think death metal, black metal incorporate that. I think specifically death metal it promotes a lot of aggression and there is a lot more. I don’t want to say more. But there is a different kind of energy compared to black metal. But I think both. It has to be dark, it has to be aggressive. It has to be angry. This is not alternative rock or stuff you’re going to listen to in the radio. And that’s why we’re not in radio. Because this music it’s not for everyone. This is for a particular breed of people and I think us when we have been playing the music for years. I think when you dive into this lifestyle, you really have to believe what you’re doing and live with the music. Not just get on stage and perform. This is more than just the stage act.

The final question – Name your five essential metal albums?

Rick : I’ll try. Let me see. For extreme metal, I’m starting to pop one in my head. I like HELL AWAITS by Slayer. It’s a great album, because it comes to my head automatically. I like… Shit! There are so many.

Bay : Mercyful Fate.

Rick : Yeah. Mercyful Fate, DON’T BREAK THE OATH. That’s a great album. Even though we don’t play that style of Mercyful Fate. But it’s metal. That album is amazing.

Bay : Then you get AC/DC in there.

Rick : AC/DC. It’s hard to just pick one AC/DC record. You have BACK IN BLACK, which is amazing. You have the Bon Scott stuff. I don’t know. It’s hard to pick. Of course Black Sabbath with both Ozzy and Dio. If I had to pick one, I’d probably pick Dio. Because I think he’s more underrated. So I like to pick him. Just last night we had the club play Dio, Black Sabbath Mob Rules. It just sounded fucking bad ass. It was like, yeah. We’re setting up our amplifiers and you could just hear his music in the background. Amazing voice. This was great. Tony Iommi, just fucking…

Bay : The master of doom riffs.

Rick : Just all the band is fucking amazing. So yeah. Black Sabbath is definitely up there for us. Shit man!. It’s hard to pick a few bands. I like MORBID TALES by Celtic Frost is a great album.

Bay : Sometimes you want to hear heavy metal and then I get into my death metal moods and I just want to hear some fast crazy shit.

Rick : Yeah. Sometimes I want to hear like Judas Priest. BRITISH STEEL or something. Some British Steel, fuck yeah.

Bay : Judas Priest would be on the list.

Rick : Yeah. You got Judas Priest in there and then sometimes I want to hear like Darkthrone, A BLAZE IN THE NORTHERN SKY or something. Sometimes I want to hear Bathory.

Iron Maiden.

Rick : Yeah, exactly. Iron Maiden, exactly. I can’t forget those guys. There are so much.

Your turn guys.

Ernesto : I’m going to say the same thing.

Rick : It’s not enough man. Like you said something, it also varies on your mood. Sometimes you just want to hear somebody and sometimes you feel like some death metal or Slayer. It’s kind of hard.

Bay : But those are always on the top of the list. Slayer, Celtic Frost and Destruction.

Rick : Exodus, BONDED BY BLOOD that’s a great album.

What about you?                      

Arthur : I have DON’T BREAK THE OATH, UNDER A FUNERAL MOON.

All right guys. I thank you for your time. Sorry for ruining your lunch, hopefully it doesn’t matter.

Rick : Thank you. Thank you.

Bay : Thank you. Good interview.


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