Shootings in Texas

everflowingstream · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:44 pm Post subject: Shootings in Texas

Reports are an Arab-American went ape in an army base in Texas with 12 dead and 30 wounded. Anyone live in/near the area?

Herrick · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:21 pm Post subject:

He was an Army psychiatrist. That's very fucked up.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting;_ylt=AqPupz_VrmkBjF0OpoiM9G.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTMzcXV0a3Q5BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMTA2L3VzX2ZvcnRfaG9vZF9zaG9vdGluZwRjcG9zAzEEcG9zAzIEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA21pbGl0YXJ5ZG9jdA--
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ShreddinJ · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject:

I was wondering if any of our MR service personnel might even be stationed there, as I understand from the news that it's a huge base and any troops going to Iraq/Afghanistan go through Fort Hood.

Turner · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject:

i really don't understand the "i'm angry at someone, so i'll go shoot a bunch of randoms" thing
it's a pity these guys always end up dying themselves...
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Herrick · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:49 pm Post subject:

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Wasn't it 3 guys?
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everflowingstream · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject:

If that's the case, something is up and it's not just a matter of someone snapping.

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Oh. They released the two other dudes I guess.
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everflowingstream · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:02 pm Post subject:

http://www.theage.com.au/world/it-was-the-harassment-us-army-psychiatrist-goes-on-killing-rampage-20091106-i0mb.html?autostart=1

I suppose the easy conclusion is that the Arab-American doesn't agree with US soliders going to Iraq/Afghanistan.

ShreddinJ · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:08 pm Post subject:

A lot of people don't agree with the wars, but they don't go shooting up Army bases.

DBK · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:14 pm Post subject:

I'm stationed on a base about an hour and a half from Fort Hood. The guy is a major douchebag for a myriad of reasons, running the gamut from the murder of badasses to the severe inconveniencing of DBKs. Hello, hourly accountability formations!
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exposemusic · Mildly Disgruntled Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 196

I worked with this man for 2 months. I'm a nurse at Walter Reed and have worked on the psych ward since last December. He was one of the attending physicians on the unit and I can tell you, this is a shock. He was always very cordial and respectful. He was good with patients and staff, always offering knowledge and making himself available to nursing staff. He was soft-spoken and polite, but never came across as strange or radical.

Very creepy and unexpected.
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Exploder 2 · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:24 pm Post subject:

It goes without saying that most people don't exhibit the symptoms of a psychopath on a daily basis. It will always be a 'shock' when something like this happens because ANYONE is capable of this. Just like the one before this and just like the next one.

As far as I know (watching CNN now) the dude was getting deployed and didn't want to go. A + B = C
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everflowingstream · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:05 am Post subject:

Read a report that he was ranting about the US not being in Iraq/Afghanistan and that the "Muslims should stand up to the aggressor".

Also reading that he is alive and in a stable condition.

Peavy · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:14 am Post subject:

subgrade · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:15 am Post subject:

He must have been listening to Slayer and playing Quake.

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For a moment when I heard it on TV, I thought "Port Hood" was said instead of Fort Hood.

There actually is a place in the province I live in called Port Hood.
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Blastbeats · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject:

I read that it was in protest to him being transferred to Afghanistan.
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Maiden_Fanatic808 · Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:14 pm Post subject:

Why did he join the military then? Fuckin dumb ass sand nigga. I hope he goes before the firing squad, or he gets thrown in the brig where the soldiers there will show that cunt their own brand of justice. Either way he's fucked.
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Pogostick · Considerably Disgruntled Joined: 23 Aug 2008 Posts: 522

Yeah, except that he's dead.... well, technically he got another 1up when he killed the one that put him down, so maybe they can invent a machine like in The Cell and attack him in his coma dream.
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Rurouni-Kenshin · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:55 am Post subject:

not everyone goin to iraq/afghanistan goes threw fort hood. however, its the largest army post.

second, the guy was relieved of duty at walter reed. thats why he was sent to ft hood. and was about to get deployed to afghanistan.

from what i read he thought that right after Obama got elected, that all troops would be home from war by now. which there is no way in hell that could have possibly had happen
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Psychophobe · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:03 am Post subject:

Its nothing to do with his deployment, that's a fob off from the US military, read the more detailed reports and you will find he had been bullied and harassed in the army because of his religion, until eventually he snapped.

I just hope the guys he shot where the ones ripping the piss into him. esp. as another poster on here was saying he'd worked with him and he was a decent guy.

edit: killing a number of people doesnt make you psychopathic. Thats more of a mindset issue, would you say a bomber pilot who kills hundreds was psychopathic? no. why not? Because he doesnt have the associated mindset.

As I stated above, he has the cause and intent - being bullied, wound up, working in the military and something's gotta give. So he goes and shoots his harassers. good on him. If he shot anyone else innocent as well, well that sucks. But the army doesnt seem to have reacted to his statements to his superiors about the harassment, so its the chain of commands fault as well.

Shaking head

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ShreddinJ · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:47 am Post subject:

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Fisherman · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject:

Robot Stud · Enraged Metalhead Joined: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 1672

Shot 43, only managed kill shots on 13 - pretty shit effort for a trained soldier, that.
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Hasan-i Sabbah · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:04 pm Post subject:

Guy had some severe mental issues; not unusual for the armed forces. And yeah, you can do some crazy fucked up stuff when your brain is giving you the blue screen of death. That actually accounts for a lot of straight up suicides: people who are otherwise rational somehow thinking it's a good idea to off themselves. Most nutcases don't go that far, and fewer still are violent towards others, but sometimes a nutcase can just pop off and take down a bunch of people with no real explanation as to why they did that shit and other crazy people don't. But hey, it's not called "crazy" because it makes sense, after all.
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Osmium · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject:

As a Muslim and a psychiatrist, he was potentially a very valuable asset to the military. Psychiatrists are in low supply and their services are drastically needed to assist with the psychological toll taken on soldiers, and Muslims - particularly within the military - are a sensitive political issue. By having Muslims in the US military, especially participating in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US can project its image of diversity both internally and externally. Given that the US is fighting against extremist Islamists in both zones of operations, I don't see what the problem for a non-extremist Muslim would be. If the bond of solidarity of an American Muslim is stronger toward extremists who have been responsible for the deaths of many more innocent Muslims than US forces than to his fellow Americans and the non-aligned Muslims whom he will benefit by increasing the stability of Iraq/Afghanistan, that's a pretty worrying state of affairs.

There is a poster on Scribd named NidalHasan, who may in fact be the man implicated in this attack. He posted the following: